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		<title>By: where can i make free beats</title>
		<link>http://www.jimgoings.com/2008/03/sharepoint-not-the-social-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-712</link>
		<dc:creator>where can i make free beats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 16:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right, some people have diffrent outlooks on the subject but i do agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right, some people have diffrent outlooks on the subject but i do agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomasz Modelski</title>
		<link>http://www.jimgoings.com/2008/03/sharepoint-not-the-social-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-690</link>
		<dc:creator>Tomasz Modelski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 00:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for good article &amp; all others for valuable comments. 
I&#039;m currently working in WSS/MOSS &#039;07 area (advanced custom forms etc) and ..... i don&#039;t now why our project is a nightmare. 

It&#039;s good to have a clear sight on things. 
I gathered some of &#039;anti-Sharepoint&#039; posts on my blog, please visit: http://it.tmod.pl/Blog/EntryId/218/Sharepoint-what-s-wrong.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for good article &amp; all others for valuable comments.<br />
I&#8217;m currently working in WSS/MOSS &#8216;07 area (advanced custom forms etc) and &#8230;.. i don&#8217;t now why our project is a nightmare. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s good to have a clear sight on things.<br />
I gathered some of &#8216;anti-Sharepoint&#8217; posts on my blog, please visit: <a href="http://it.tmod.pl/Blog/EntryId/218/Sharepoint-what-s-wrong.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://it.tmod.pl/Blog/EntryId/218/Sharepoint-what-s-wrong.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: Insider&#8217;s tale of woe about SharePoint user adoption &#187; Connected</title>
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		<dc:creator>Insider&#8217;s tale of woe about SharePoint user adoption &#187; Connected</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Gunnar Langeland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gunnar Langeland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good article!

From an IT perspective (managing servers, migrations, development etc.), Sharepoint (for me at least), has turned into a nightmare!

Never have I used an IT &quot;platform&quot; where you have to uninstall the product to change e.g. Authentication mode (Integration with Active Directory or not). 

Never have I had my hands on something where you spend 80% of your time trying to find work arounds. 

Users (and project leaders) expect that Sharepoint can do anything, cause that is what they have been told. How did Microsoft determine that running an application that uses Post back and JScript, instead of actually using pure .NET programming, could turn out to become a good performance tool for coolaboration??

Then you have all the additional services you can plug into Sharepoint, and it is all &quot;out of the box&quot;.. Microsoft is right, it is out of the box, but it feels like a Jason &amp; Freddy jack-in-a-box nightmare... Try implementing Search Server Express and Reporting services on WSS 3 (existing installation). If you do not read ALL the fine print of the 300+ pages of documentation you can get, you&#039;r up for a BIG surprice (so are all your users, and your backup and restore guys..)

Databases.. the best thing since sliced bred and and the remote control... Sharepoint totally rely on databases, even renders it&#039;s web pages out of the database (??), but what ever happened to all the great things you can do on e.g SQL server? Triggers, stored procedures, a relational database for data integrity and efficient data gathering,++++? I can not believe my eyes when I see the structure of Sharepoint, who came up with the idea that lists as they call it, placed and scatered in all thinkable sites and sub sites, was a better way of organizing your data, than a relational database? Did they ever try to create a couple reports that where a bit more complicated than pulling data out of one list?

I don&#039;t know what Microsoft tried to do with Sharepoint, but some where along the line, it all went wrong. 

Sharepoint is a good idea, but that&#039;s all. If I where the product manager of Microsoft, I would recall all licenses of Sharepoint, appologize to the market and said: &quot;We&#039;ll do better next time&quot;. 

I know IT people in large organizations that utilize Sharepoint, and it has created more problems and misunderstandings than it has resolved. 

I know one guy (and I know people in 20+ contries that work with IT), that can handle all the needed aspects of running and developing Sharepoint. The list of knowledge you must have to develop and maintain this application, without stepping on a &quot;land mine&quot; is huge! This means you will have to have more IT personnel to end up with something that in the end, will not resolve anything. Cost goes up, frustration goes up, and resolutions does not exist.

Instead of Sharepoint, build custom applications for the processes you can not cover with &quot;out of the shelf&quot; software, and instead put up a couple wiki pages, and a good search engine along with a good document handling system. Yes, you will end up with more than one application, but at least you will not end up with cahos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good article!</p>
<p>From an IT perspective (managing servers, migrations, development etc.), Sharepoint (for me at least), has turned into a nightmare!</p>
<p>Never have I used an IT &#8220;platform&#8221; where you have to uninstall the product to change e.g. Authentication mode (Integration with Active Directory or not). </p>
<p>Never have I had my hands on something where you spend 80% of your time trying to find work arounds. </p>
<p>Users (and project leaders) expect that Sharepoint can do anything, cause that is what they have been told. How did Microsoft determine that running an application that uses Post back and JScript, instead of actually using pure .NET programming, could turn out to become a good performance tool for coolaboration??</p>
<p>Then you have all the additional services you can plug into Sharepoint, and it is all &#8220;out of the box&#8221;.. Microsoft is right, it is out of the box, but it feels like a Jason &amp; Freddy jack-in-a-box nightmare&#8230; Try implementing Search Server Express and Reporting services on WSS 3 (existing installation). If you do not read ALL the fine print of the 300+ pages of documentation you can get, you&#8217;r up for a BIG surprice (so are all your users, and your backup and restore guys..)</p>
<p>Databases.. the best thing since sliced bred and and the remote control&#8230; Sharepoint totally rely on databases, even renders it&#8217;s web pages out of the database (??), but what ever happened to all the great things you can do on e.g SQL server? Triggers, stored procedures, a relational database for data integrity and efficient data gathering,++++? I can not believe my eyes when I see the structure of Sharepoint, who came up with the idea that lists as they call it, placed and scatered in all thinkable sites and sub sites, was a better way of organizing your data, than a relational database? Did they ever try to create a couple reports that where a bit more complicated than pulling data out of one list?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what Microsoft tried to do with Sharepoint, but some where along the line, it all went wrong. </p>
<p>Sharepoint is a good idea, but that&#8217;s all. If I where the product manager of Microsoft, I would recall all licenses of Sharepoint, appologize to the market and said: &#8220;We&#8217;ll do better next time&#8221;. </p>
<p>I know IT people in large organizations that utilize Sharepoint, and it has created more problems and misunderstandings than it has resolved. </p>
<p>I know one guy (and I know people in 20+ contries that work with IT), that can handle all the needed aspects of running and developing Sharepoint. The list of knowledge you must have to develop and maintain this application, without stepping on a &#8220;land mine&#8221; is huge! This means you will have to have more IT personnel to end up with something that in the end, will not resolve anything. Cost goes up, frustration goes up, and resolutions does not exist.</p>
<p>Instead of Sharepoint, build custom applications for the processes you can not cover with &#8220;out of the shelf&#8221; software, and instead put up a couple wiki pages, and a good search engine along with a good document handling system. Yes, you will end up with more than one application, but at least you will not end up with cahos.</p>
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		<title>By: Jive Clearspace First Impressions &#171; Impulse Blogging</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jive Clearspace First Impressions &#171; Impulse Blogging</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Daniel Piche</title>
		<link>http://www.jimgoings.com/2008/03/sharepoint-not-the-social-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-428</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Piche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve been told to put our documents into a SharePoint repository for this contract we&#039;re on in a government IT agency.  Process and efficiency are definitely two of my highest values so you can imagine that the complete failure in usability of Sharepoint regarding even it&#039;s most basic functions of editing and saving files has been driving me to the edge.  They brought in a guy to manually move many many thousands of files into it.  (yes, individual meta-tagging and checkin) I&#039;m surprised his brain still functions.  And now to the main reason I&#039;m posting this message... 

I just walked by my co-worker after reading this article and getting a refill of my water mug when I heard &quot;awe, no&quot; (he&#039;s British, so throw some accent onto that for the full experience).  Of course, he was trying to put something into SharePoint and something (bad) happened.  I said &quot;Do you need a hug?  Have you lost a document you were trying to put into SharePoint?&quot;  He seemed a bit dejected.  I walked away leaving him to his SharePoint misery, at which point he said &quot;No, but I&#039;m shortly loosing the will to live.&quot;.  And I was then precipitated to the floor choking on my water and spiting it all over the floor.

Hope our experience is in line with others across the globe.  Our thoughts go out to you all...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve been told to put our documents into a SharePoint repository for this contract we&#8217;re on in a government IT agency.  Process and efficiency are definitely two of my highest values so you can imagine that the complete failure in usability of Sharepoint regarding even it&#8217;s most basic functions of editing and saving files has been driving me to the edge.  They brought in a guy to manually move many many thousands of files into it.  (yes, individual meta-tagging and checkin) I&#8217;m surprised his brain still functions.  And now to the main reason I&#8217;m posting this message&#8230; </p>
<p>I just walked by my co-worker after reading this article and getting a refill of my water mug when I heard &#8220;awe, no&#8221; (he&#8217;s British, so throw some accent onto that for the full experience).  Of course, he was trying to put something into SharePoint and something (bad) happened.  I said &#8220;Do you need a hug?  Have you lost a document you were trying to put into SharePoint?&#8221;  He seemed a bit dejected.  I walked away leaving him to his SharePoint misery, at which point he said &#8220;No, but I&#8217;m shortly loosing the will to live.&#8221;.  And I was then precipitated to the floor choking on my water and spiting it all over the floor.</p>
<p>Hope our experience is in line with others across the globe.  Our thoughts go out to you all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: REEDEXICT</title>
		<link>http://www.jimgoings.com/2008/03/sharepoint-not-the-social-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-366</link>
		<dc:creator>REEDEXICT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 02:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>продам Форд-Фокус  2008 года    за 200 тр.   торг возможет.  срочно!!!
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		<title>By: Simon Carswell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Carswell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Jim, thanks.  Seems a lot of companies are walking zombie-like towards a Sharepoint implementation, even though there are better solutions available.  I&#039;ve made a couple of posts, too, on the subject:
http://enterknowl.blogspot.com/2008/10/sharepoint-summit.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Jim, thanks.  Seems a lot of companies are walking zombie-like towards a Sharepoint implementation, even though there are better solutions available.  I&#8217;ve made a couple of posts, too, on the subject:<br />
<a href="http://enterknowl.blogspot.com/2008/10/sharepoint-summit.html" rel="nofollow">http://enterknowl.blogspot.com/2008/10/sharepoint-summit.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely written, and to the point. My users also just &quot;don&#039;t get it&quot; when it comes to SharePoint. I think mostly because it&#039;s just too technical/complex for them. If you don&#039;t have an IT mindset, then it can be very hard to pickup. Basically, our IT dept has to setup everything and explain everything on SharePoint, the users just can&#039;t figure it out. They can just about handle word and excel. Additionally, they don&#039;t come to work to learn a new MS technology, they aren&#039;t interested in setting up wikis etc. Why should they be? MS needs to get a grip on what can be expected from your average non-technical office employee. (Large firm of lawyers, marketing, and sales staff in my case).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely written, and to the point. My users also just &#8220;don&#8217;t get it&#8221; when it comes to SharePoint. I think mostly because it&#8217;s just too technical/complex for them. If you don&#8217;t have an IT mindset, then it can be very hard to pickup. Basically, our IT dept has to setup everything and explain everything on SharePoint, the users just can&#8217;t figure it out. They can just about handle word and excel. Additionally, they don&#8217;t come to work to learn a new MS technology, they aren&#8217;t interested in setting up wikis etc. Why should they be? MS needs to get a grip on what can be expected from your average non-technical office employee. (Large firm of lawyers, marketing, and sales staff in my case).</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.jimgoings.com/2008/03/sharepoint-not-the-social-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-239</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo, Jim. I am in the position of evangelizing for SharePoint -- and I don&#039;t even like it very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo, Jim. I am in the position of evangelizing for SharePoint &#8212; and I don&#8217;t even like it very much.</p>
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